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Post by rodburner on Sept 15, 2007 15:48:25 GMT -5
That is the question!.... Nah , it's just a catchy phrase for this email hahah! Actually, I have noticed something big time lately. Now this is from my own observations , so this should not be misread as An insult to anyone, ok? I am also not griping or whining or anything of the like, so please don't read it that way.
Since being online and building models to share with the world, I have Learned a lot. I have seen so many models on the WWW and in person And have gathered so many ideas, tips and some skills. With all that in mind, I have the confidence as well to build something that is highly detailed. Before The Internet for me, I never heard of all the after market and didn't know of all The tips etc.... It amazes me at the amount of detail some guys put into their Models! One thing I learned is that putting that amount of detail is not a standard to live up to. Detailing like that is a passion for a particular car, it's a Stride to be better and to rise to the top. For some.....it's just fun? For me, it was to prove that I can do it. I have slowly built up the amount of detail with nearly every model I build. Each car has something in it that was "practice" for that final build. My final build is the '32 Ford Roadster that I have on my bench. I am not building this car with a serious passion for '32 Fords, it's being built with two things in mind.... 1. To push my limits to the top 2. To prove that I can
Why prove it? Well it's simple. Everyone I know including myself has love for building model cars. Almost everyone I know has stepped it up at least once To prove to themselves they can do it or at least give it a go. Besides, when I see a really cool part I can't help but to buy one! Some guys would love to detail like that, but simply can't afford it. Some don't see a need to do all that for a model on the shelf. I feel like the following about this.. There is no need to build every single model with high detail A model with a nice paint job, bare metal foil and paint detail is just as good I feel that a clean simple build can house a set of plug wires and maybe some after market wheels and still get the satisfaction. ( I am not telling anyone how to build) *I sometimes feel I am the only person willing to be completely open and honest about my feelings. I put aside my macho self and know it all senses and just say it the way it is*
One thing I noticed about detailing like I am on the '32 ford is when I send the link out, it barely gets response for the headaches I am sharing lol *which is fine, like I said, no whining or griping* On the other hand if I am building something that has no detail other than paint and foil, it gets compliments like crazy! Kind of like "good job, keep going you can do better" or "keep it up, you have me motivated" ..... Those are great feelings and responses! As for doing better, I think it surprises people to see something that looks like it could run. I think too many Of us ignore things we don't want to accept. I have accepted that I don't get Many responses to my posts because it makes people feel irritated to see it. * not whining * *not getting a big head either* I think just looking at the detail that goes into some of the models these days is stressful and depressing, in a psychological way. These thoughts keep us down to the level that we think we "could never do that" BULLCHIP! You CAN do it! Now I have something to say about it, before you attempt it.
Detailing a model front to back, up and down trying not to miss anything that Is on a real scale......man it's stressful to be honest. Trying to be perfect and accurate really sucks. I spend ridiculous hours researching one single part before I put it on or show it to anyone. I do this not to seem like a genius, but To avoid "that is wrong" responses from those that know it all. If I was not showing my models on the Internet, if I had never seen what I have seen out there? I would be perfectly happy sitting at my kitchen table building and probably even brush paint the body. I would probably leave some parts out, leave some un-painted etc.... Heck that is how I built models before I ever picked up a magazine or found other builders on the Internet. I don't think I ever used bare metal foil until about 1998?
When someone says " I have never built a model like that" meaning, brush painted , missing parts or whatever..... BULLSHIP! To those people, I say "stop fronting"! *now this is just ranting* I wish people would get off their Pedestals and be real for once.....kinda like I am right here.
I have been seriously struggling with myself over the last year. I have been trying to break free of building stuff that is to impress others , stop building stuff just to be included......heck with that I say! So many people that I know today, have no idea that I used to build lowriders and kustoms. Some people Think all I build was drag cars , well it's not true. In fact, I have always loved drag racing and have really worked on a couple 1:1's but drag racing is not My first love. My first love has always been trying to capture my origins in this hobby. I have been struggling to be at peace at my bench like I was as a kid. I want to build a model completely for me! I won't find this peace by building a revell uptown charger.....nope, it's not me. I really don't care for vehicles made after 1970.....very few after that do I REALLY like. The cars of today are good transportation, but I can't get excited about them. I like hot rods, kustoms, lowriders, drag cars, box art models, street rods and street machines. I am not limited to those subjects, but you get the idea I hope.
I plan to finish all my projects started in the next few months so I can re-open My mind with a fresh look at what I fell in love with many years ago. Detailing will still be part of my builds, but not to the extent I have gone. It's time I had FUN building and let the mind run wild!
If there is anyone else that feels this way, I hope that my being open about this Helps you free yourself of this FUNK, this BLOCK that keeps us from F-F-F-F-F-INISHING a model! Too much brain work, too much criticism , Too much "will everyone else like this" NO MORE. It's just plastic folks, put What YOU like on the bench and let it flow! Don't worry about a little flaw, trust me ..... I have seen models in person that have been in the magazines and The photos hide a lot! Be inspired, but don't expire!
Yeah sure, we tease each other and push each other and that is fun! Don't Take it too seriously.......it's a hobby! My last words in this email "I look at the small 150 model collection I have and just hope I can finish them all before I die" "when I die, these models will not mean anything to me again" "the $150 vintage kit I have will be thrown away or sold for nothing at a yard sale when I go"......don't waste it, BUILD it!
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Post by kababa55 on Oct 2, 2007 19:16:06 GMT -5
daggumb dude, you were really on a roll! All kidding aside, I really enjoyed reading this post/rant. I also love seeing the amazing detail put into some the builds I have seen here and on TRAK and I agree that it is a personal choice as to how far you want or need to go. That being said, I'm sure that everyone who has seen the pics of your '32 is in awe of it! Why you aren't getting feedback, I don't know. It seems to me that you have been very good at conveying to everyone how important it is to give positive feedback. It definitely does feel good to have others take the time to comment on something you have been working on. I for one have been disconnected from the hobby for so long that I feel miles behind most everyone else here. But that's cool, I gonna build the cars that I get off on and feel good knowing that I have a place to post a pic or two.
Good luck on the quest for your modelling roots and let the good times resume. I see comments from many of the modelers who are basically trying to recapture the essence of this hobby that captivated them in younger years, and I think it's great. This and the TRAK message board are great for this as it brings all your like minded buddies into your workspace to witness, comment on and even laugh about the craziness that is happening on top of the bench.
I attempted to get my boys into the hobby a few years ago and sadly couldn't quite get the seeds to grow. I realized the problem was that none of their friends, in fact nobody they knew was into this hobby and my attempts alone were not enough to foster the kind of passion I had at that age. I'm sure you've noticed how sparse the model building community seems to be out west. I have taken them to car shows which also have models displayed and I must admit that the whole scene just appeared so boring. When I asked a couple of the modelers (you may refer to them as Rivet Counters) questions regarding their cars, they seemed more concerned with guarding a long held family modelling secret rather than showing some youngsters how fun and simple it can be. Again that is where these msg boards come into play. You've got a good thing going here Bob! Keep up the good work. As you can plainly see, you have the attention of car model enthusiasts from every corner of the globe.
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Post by snacktruck on Nov 29, 2007 17:45:56 GMT -5
This line= "I think just looking at the detail that goes into some of the models these days is stressful and depressing, in a psychological way".
I was just thinkg this the other day. I haven't built a model for over 41 years. Yep, back in my teenage years, just before joinng the Army. I never thought much about it while in the service, in fact I did not think about it at all until just last month.
I bought a 76 Nova at Hobby Lobby and some supplies, just a small amount, and went home, showed my wife, and told her I think I will build a couple of models just like I did as a kid. Well I just happened accross a few forums on the net, and seen what was going on. I about chocked when I saw the amount of detail that was being put into models.
Back in the day, it was going overboard just to use some sewing thread to wire the engine. That was really extreme. Well you can imagine how I felt when I saw sites dedicated just to small parts and etc.
So I went out, and on the net, and bought dozens of models, supplies, goodies of all kinds, and thought wow, this is going to be something. Well wow went to whoa. After 41 years, my hands and eye sight are not the same. This looked darn near hopeless. Trying to put together micro tiny seatbelts, BMF, small little details on engines and so on.
I keep putting a lot of the building off, as I was really nervous about doing this. I was trying be part of the in crowd, and super detail a few models. Well I just keep doing research on the net, and the more I researched the more I got depressed. I told my self I can not do this anymore. I have painted 2 cars in the last 4 weeks, and stripped them twice and repainted. My painting skills were not there anymore. I have finally settled down a bit on the painting with the rattle cans. Thank God. Now I went and bought a super nice airbrush, and compressor. I can't paint a lick with it right now. Still practicing, and I am sure I will get better with time.
I told myself, this just isn't going to work out. Then I read this thread and that one line fell right into place. I was just thinking earlier that day. Wait a minute, this used to be fun. I was only a teenager and could paint a model really nice. I can do it again, if I just start out like I did so many years ago. Take them one at a time, and if I do something different, and add some detail in each build, maybe I will have more fun. I was really pressuring myself. It was so refreshing to see someone had the same mind set that I did. Now I feel more comfortable and just look at as fun.
Thanks for this thread RodBuNeR.
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Post by kustoms on Nov 29, 2007 19:00:29 GMT -5
Ive just read your interesting point you made Bob and I think i understand were your coming from,,,It kinda took a little out of my sails though regarding my "hell of a build 55 chevy" I want to show others what can be done and how its done with a help and inspire others attatude I hope that it will not discurage or turn away anyone Like you Im building this for me pushing my own envilope by taking what i already know and trying to do new things For example ive spent many of hours on the web trying to learn all that i can about photo etching at home, resin casting at home hell even engianering the chassie and suspension so it will set right I was hoping to share this experance with others in the groupe because this has been an exciting project for me... On a personal note all my life ive been involved with cars full size and scale size and Ive done nothing with it...when i was six i wanted to be a car deziner for Gm whoops didnt follow thru with that dream worked in a body shop for 3 years painting cars whoops another failed dream Ive read hundreads of car mags model mags and internet web sites and I ask myself again what the hell am I doing with myself? what a waist of time So Ive come up with this hair brained idea to some how help as many as i can and share the knowledge that ived learnd all this time Hopfully by building this 55 chevy in drastics fourm would help achive this some what of a dream that i have I dont know of any "one" web site that has a place to go to and learn so many techniques with one build I was hoping to try to give you all that.... model building isnt a secret, its a hobbie that can be shared and should be shared Ive met many of famouse model builders over the years and most are great guys when competing in contest though there seem to be a limit on what everyone will share oh they will tell a few of there techniques but where can a person go to learn all of the major ones that apply to those winning contest models and most importanatly the last thing i wanna do is discurage any one form building anything at any level that want to build Now im not bitchin complaining or crying here Im just hopin that i can help make drastics fourm a place were evryone can have a place to go and show people that the hobbie is about havin fun And if your not havin fun its not worth doin like you said its only plastic hahahahah Bud Ellis Kustoms
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Post by rodburner on Nov 29, 2007 19:50:54 GMT -5
daggumb dude, you were really on a roll! All kidding aside, I really enjoyed reading this post/rant. I also love seeing the amazing detail put into some the builds I have seen here and on TRAK and I agree that it is a personal choice as to how far you want or need to go. That being said, I'm sure that everyone who has seen the pics of your '32 is in awe of it! Why you aren't getting feedback, I don't know. It seems to me that you have been very good at conveying to everyone how important it is to give positive feedback. It definitely does feel good to have others take the time to comment on something you have been working on. I for one have been disconnected from the hobby for so long that I feel miles behind most everyone else here. But that's cool, I gonna build the cars that I get off on and feel good knowing that I have a place to post a pic or two. Good luck on the quest for your modelling roots and let the good times resume. I see comments from many of the modelers who are basically trying to recapture the essence of this hobby that captivated them in younger years, and I think it's great. This and the TRAK message board are great for this as it brings all your like minded buddies into your workspace to witness, comment on and even laugh about the craziness that is happening on top of the bench. I attempted to get my boys into the hobby a few years ago and sadly couldn't quite get the seeds to grow. I realized the problem was that none of their friends, in fact nobody they knew was into this hobby and my attempts alone were not enough to foster the kind of passion I had at that age. I'm sure you've noticed how sparse the model building community seems to be out west. I have taken them to car shows which also have models displayed and I must admit that the whole scene just appeared so boring. When I asked a couple of the modelers (you may refer to them as Rivet Counters) questions regarding their cars, they seemed more concerned with guarding a long held family modelling secret rather than showing some youngsters how fun and simple it can be. Again that is where these msg boards come into play. You've got a good thing going here Bob! Keep up the good work. As you can plainly see, you have the attention of car model enthusiasts from every corner of the globe. i guess i am a little late on reply lol..... thankyou for taking the time read and reply. i feel better personally since posting that.
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Post by rodburner on Nov 29, 2007 19:55:28 GMT -5
This line= "I think just looking at the detail that goes into some of the models these days is stressful and depressing, in a psychological way".I was just thinkg this the other day. I haven't built a model for over 41 years. Yep, back in my teenage years, just before joinng the Army. I never thought much about it while in the service, in fact I did not think about it at all until just last month. I bought a 76 Nova at Hobby Lobby and some supplies, just a small amount, and went home, showed my wife, and told her I think I will build a couple of models just like I did as a kid. Well I just happened accross a few forums on the net, and seen what was going on. I about chocked when I saw the amount of detail that was being put into models. Back in the day, it was going overboard just to use some sewing thread to wire the engine. That was really extreme. Well you can imagine how I felt when I saw sites dedicated just to small parts and etc. So I went out, and on the net, and bought dozens of models, supplies, goodies of all kinds, and thought wow, this is going to be something. Well wow went to whoa. After 41 years, my hands and eye sight are not the same. This looked darn near hopeless. Trying to put together micro tiny seatbelts, BMF, small little details on engines and so on. I keep putting a lot of the building off, as I was really nervous about doing this. I was trying be part of the in crowd, and super detail a few models. Well I just keep doing research on the net, and the more I researched the more I got depressed. I told my self I can not do this anymore. I have painted 2 cars in the last 4 weeks, and stripped them twice and repainted. My painting skills were not there anymore. I have finally settled down a bit on the painting with the rattle cans. Thank God. Now I went and bought a super nice airbrush, and compressor. I can't paint a lick with it right now. Still practicing, and I am sure I will get better with time. I told myself, this just isn't going to work out. Then I read this thread and that one line fell right into place. I was just thinking earlier that day. Wait a minute, this used to be fun. I was only a teenager and could paint a model really nice. I can do it again, if I just start out like I did so many years ago. Take them one at a time, and if I do something different, and add some detail in each build, maybe I will have more fun. I was really pressuring myself. It was so refreshing to see someone had the same mind set that I did. Now I feel more comfortable and just look at as fun. Thanks for this thread RodBuNeR. you line "I keep putting a lot of the building off, as I was really nervous about doing this. I was trying be part of the in crowd, and super detail a few models" that is exactly why i stepped away from my '32 ford. it is overwhelming to a point. i will finish the car, but it's gonna be after i finish a few less detailed builds. i REALLY enjoy building the car for the "overall look of it"....not what is under the hood and chassis. like i said though, when i see a person's build that is detailed to the max, i do enjoy it and can certainly admire the dedication that went into it. thanks for your reply
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Post by rodburner on Nov 29, 2007 20:03:51 GMT -5
Ive just read your interesting point you made Bob and I think i understand were your coming from,,,It kinda took a little out of my sails though regarding my "hell of a build 55 chevy" I want to show others what can be done and how its done with a help and inspire others attatude I hope that it will not discurage or turn away anyone Like you Im building this for me pushing my own envilope by taking what i already know and trying to do new things For example ive spent many of hours on the web trying to learn all that i can about photo etching at home, resin casting at home hell even engianering the chassie and suspension so it will set right I was hoping to share this experance with others in the groupe because this has been an exciting project for me... On a personal note all my life ive been involved with cars full size and scale size and Ive done nothing with it...when i was six i wanted to be a car deziner for Gm whoops didnt follow thru with that dream worked in a body shop for 3 years painting cars whoops another failed dream Ive read hundreads of car mags model mags and internet web sites and I ask myself again what the hell am I doing with myself? what a waist of time So Ive come up with this hair brained idea to some how help as many as i can and share the knowledge that ived learnd all this time Hopfully by building this 55 chevy in drastics fourm would help achive this some what of a dream that i have I dont know of any "one" web site that has a place to go to and learn so many techniques with one build I was hoping to try to give you all that.... model building isnt a secret, its a hobbie that can be shared and should be shared Ive met many of famouse model builders over the years and most are great guys when competing in contest though there seem to be a limit on what everyone will share oh they will tell a few of there techniques but where can a person go to learn all of the major ones that apply to those winning contest models and most importanatly the last thing i wanna do is discurage any one form building anything at any level that want to build Now im not bitchin complaining or crying here Im just hopin that i can help make drastics fourm a place were evryone can have a place to go and show people that the hobbie is about havin fun And if your not havin fun its not worth doin like you said its only plastic hahahahah Bud Ellis Kustoms Bud, this was posted long before you started your '55 bro....so don't think it had anything to do with your build. keep at it! like i have said, it's just not for me to go wild like that on every build. i understand your dream. i did the same thing, but instead of being a car designer at a young age....i wanted to be a stock car racer.....STOCK CARS.....not nascars lol i worked in a body shop 6 years , everyone i was friends with had older cars, body shops and salvage yards ....car lots too.....my friends and life has revolved around cars since i can remember. "model building isnt a secret, its a hobbie that can be shared and should be shared" you are right! i think its great you are sharing this build of yours. i see a lot of guys that build an incredible model for 30 posts of fame and maybe a magazine shot.....them guys waste "their" time... what is the point in building for a year or more and then just post up for 30 "good boy" posts? those guys spend all that time doing it for glory....not sharing or learning from others. i admit i am not the best at explaining what i have done to my models, but i am always open to anyone who has a question and i will answer the best i can. i have done how to's for people that ask what i did just to show them how it was done. we should and i WILL continue to share mine. i certainly don't mean that "it's not worth doing".....but for me personally , it's not worth me stressing over things like that on "every single" model. i will continue to do it on models , but i can't let the "details take me over"..... i am all about body work, paint , stance wheels and *appearances*.... i love cars for the way they look, not how they run and such.... hope that makes sense? lol thanks for your reply Bud, keep kicking ass with your '55!
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Post by raisin27 on Dec 6, 2007 10:41:20 GMT -5
I think I have said this before, but here I go again! ........
There is absolutely nothing wrong with "super detailing a model with every nut, bolt, spacer, cable, wire, and everything else you can think of.
There is also absolutely nothing wrong with building a model straight out of the box, without even painting it!!
This is precisely why modeling is such a great hobby. You build what you want the way you want it. The way I choose to build may or may not be the way Bob or any one else chooses, but so what!
For me personally I build a few out of box models, a few curbsides, some "average detail" cars, and a couple of "push my skills to the limit" builds each year. I find by mixing them up a bit with a variety I dont get builders burnout that superdetailing everything on your bench can give you, but doing a few all out builds keeps me challenged enough to make it interesting. Thats just me. For the modeler that details to the hilt every car he does........thats great, if thats what works for him. Same for the casual builder that might not even paint the models.
In other words.....there is no right or wrong way to build, there is only building!
Raisin
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Post by rodburner on Dec 6, 2007 11:12:58 GMT -5
I think I have said this before, but here I go again! ........ There is absolutely nothing wrong with "super detailing a model with every nut, bolt, spacer, cable, wire, and everything else you can think of. There is also absolutely nothing wrong with building a model straight out of the box, without even painting it!! This is precisely why modeling is such a great hobby. You build what you want the way you want it. The way I choose to build may or may not be the way Bob or any one else chooses, but so what! For me personally I build a few out of box models, a few curbsides, some "average detail" cars, and a couple of "push my skills to the limit" builds each year. I find by mixing them up a bit with a variety I dont get builders burnout that superdetailing everything on your bench can give you, but doing a few all out builds keeps me challenged enough to make it interesting. Thats just me. For the modeler that details to the hilt every car he does........thats great, if thats what works for him. Same for the casual builder that might not even paint the models. In other words.....there is no right or wrong way to build, there is only building!Raisin amen!
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Post by dan on Dec 6, 2007 12:27:59 GMT -5
I know exactly what you are talking about Bob.I started building when I was a young boy,I would build them right out of the box.No paint or wires,my only tool I used was glue.When I got a little older I started painting the bodys and interiors.Then I got into detailing and entering contests.I did very well at the contests and was inspired and intimidated by the more experienced builders.It got to a point where it wasn't fun any more and I stopped building for about 12 years.When Geezer told me about DPMCC and I checked it out it was the spark that jump started me again.All the skills I thought I lost were still there and my modeling has improved.I think the only thing I don't do any more is brake lines.I'm proud of all my builds,even the ones with bad paint and I think boards like this are a great way to show what you build without someone dropping it on the floor.I look forward to seeing builds from everyone,I don't always respond to what I see but it doesn't meen I don't like it.Happy building,Dan
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Post by geezerman35 on Dec 6, 2007 18:25:14 GMT -5
I started modeling again after many years off, in 1999. I always used to try modifying kits, But it wasn't until this new surge that I paid any attention to detailing. Once I put plug wires on that first model, I find I'm not satisfied putting out an engine with out wiring. As I progressed I found it hard to go back and do something less than what I had been putting out. Got to the point where I'm trying to build out of the ordinary engines. Being mechanically challenged, I do a lot of imagineering. Would be nice to be able to go balls out with every aftermarket add on there is, but my SS income ain't up to that, So I have to rely a lot of times on what I can scratch, or utilize out of my junk parts. So, that challange keeps my interest up. I don't think I would be even interested in building a box stocker. I will draw the line when detailing gets to be anal. Fortunately, there are so many auto catagories to choose from, I don't have to try to build a type that is distasteful to me. I just get crazy and go at some of my favorite subjects, using mostly what I have on hand.
Cheers, Geezer
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Post by rodburner on Dec 6, 2007 19:38:56 GMT -5
i hear ya guys! i have been building for 25 years straight. i never stopped, always had models to build whether they were built ups that i rebuilt or what. everyone gets burned out or does something else to take a break, so yes there was periods of several months or a year that i didn't touch a model.....but i always had them on the shelf and didn't put my stuff away. it was not until i got on the internet that i started to detail. i only started to do it at first because i was so amazed at what i was seeing by other people. after i had pretty much tried it all....not everything, but most the common stuff, i felt i was ready to do a full detail (more than just engine compartment, the whole car) and that is when i started working on my '32. i guess i lost interest in it because i would post progress on other forums and yahoo groups and NOBODY would reply. im not bitching, if a person has nothing to say, that is fine! i was looking for encouragement though and when i could see that almost 100 people viewed my build and not a single person commented...i either felt people didn't like the build, didn't like me or were jealous thinking that i was trying to show off... that REALLY changed where i post now and how much i show. it is now that i am back to my original feelings...."i build for me , what i like to do, if it's missing or incorrect, it's fine with me".....
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